Guest Opinion: Global Warming Twenty Years Later

by James Hansen on June 23, 2008

Tipping Points Near

Today, I will testify to Congress about global warming, 20 years after my June 23, 1988 testimony, which alerted the public that global warming was under way. There are striking similarities between then and now, but one big difference.

Again a wide gap has developed between what is understood about global warming by the relevant scientific community and what is known by policymakers and the public. Now, as then, frank assessment of scientific data yields conclusions that are shocking to the body politic. Now, as then, I can assert that these conclusions have a certainty exceeding 99 percent.

The difference is that now we have used up all slack in the schedule for actions needed to defuse the global warming time bomb. The next President and Congress must define a course next year in which the United States exerts leadership commensurate with our responsibility for the present dangerous situation.

Otherwise, it will become impractical to constrain atmospheric carbon dioxide, the greenhouse gas produced in burning fossil fuels, to a level that prevents the climate system from passing tipping points that lead to disastrous climate changes that spiral dynamically out of humanity's control.

Changes needed to preserve creation, the planet on which civilization developed, are clear. But the changes have been blocked by special interests, focused on short-term profits, who hold sway in Washington and other capitals.

I argue that a path yielding energy independence and a healthier environment is, barely, still possible. It requires a transformative change of direction in Washington in the next year.

Then: Time to "Stop Waffling"

On June 23, 1988, I testified to a hearing chaired by Senator Tim Wirth of Colorado that the Earth had entered a long-term warming trend, and that human-made greenhouse gases almost surely were responsible. I noted that global warming enhanced both extremes of the water cycle, meaning stronger droughts and forest fires, on the one hand, but also heavier rains and floods.

My testimony two decades ago was greeted with skepticism. But while skepticism is the lifeblood of science, it can confuse the public. As scientists examine a topic from all perspectives, it may appear that nothing is known with confidence. But from such broad open-minded study of all data, valid conclusions can be drawn.

My conclusions in 1988 were built on a wide range of inputs from basic physics, planetary studies, observations of ongoing changes, and climate models. The evidence was strong enough that I could say it was time to "stop waffling." I was sure that time would bring the scientific community to a similar consensus, as it has.

While international recognition of global warming was swift, actions have faltered. The United States refused to place limits on its emissions, and developing countries such as China and India rapidly increased their emissions.

The Coming Storm

What is at stake? Warming so far, about two degrees Fahrenheit over land areas, seems almost innocuous, being less than day-to-day weather fluctuations. But more warming is already "in-the-pipeline," delayed only by the great inertia of the world ocean. And climate is nearing dangerous tipping points. Elements of a "perfect storm," a global cataclysm, are assembled.

Climate can reach points such that amplifying feedbacks spur large rapid changes. Arctic sea ice is a current example. Global warming initiated sea ice melt, exposing darker ocean that absorbs more sunlight, melting more ice. As a result, without any additional greenhouse gases, the Arctic soon will be ice-free in the summer.

More ominous tipping points loom. West Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets are vulnerable to even small additional warming. These two-mile-thick behemoths respond slowly at first, but if disintegration gets well under way it will become unstoppable. Debate among scientists is only about how much sea level would rise by a given date. In my opinion, if emissions follow a business-as-usual scenario, sea level rise of at least two meters is likely this century. Hundreds of millions of people would become refugees. No stable shoreline would be reestablished in any time frame that humanity can conceive.

Animal and plant species are already stressed by climate change. Polar and alpine species will be pushed off the planet, if warming continues. Other species attempt to migrate, but as some are extinguished, their interdependencies can cause ecosystem collapse. Mass extinctions, of more than half the species on the planet, have occurred several times when the Earth warmed as much as expected if greenhouse gases continue to increase. Biodiversity recovered, but it required hundreds of thousands of years.

Getting to 350 ppm

The disturbing conclusion, documented in a paper[1] I have written with several of the world's leading climate experts, is that the safe level of atmospheric carbon dioxide is no more than 350 ppm (parts per million), and it may be less. Carbon dioxide amount is already 385 ppm and rising by about 2 ppm per year. Stunning corollary: the oft-stated goal to keep global warming less than two degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) is a recipe for global disaster, not salvation.

These conclusions are based on paleoclimate data showing how the Earth responded to past levels of greenhouse gases and on observations showing how the world is responding to today's carbon dioxide amount. The consequences of continued increase of greenhouse gases extend far beyond extermination of species and future sea level rise.

Arid subtropical climate zones are expanding poleward. Already an average expansion of about 250 miles has occurred, affecting the southern United States, the Mediterranean region, Australia, and southern Africa. Forest fires and drying-up of lakes will increase further unless carbon dioxide growth is halted and reversed.

Mountain glaciers are the source of fresh water for hundreds of millions of people. These glaciers are receding worldwide, in the Himalayas, Andes, and Rocky Mountains. They will disappear, leaving their rivers as trickles in late summer and fall, unless the growth of carbon dioxide is reversed.

Coral reefs, the rainforests of the ocean, are home for one-third of the species in the sea. Coral reefs are under stress for several reasons, including warming of the ocean, but especially because of ocean acidification, a direct effect of added carbon dioxide. Ocean life dependent on carbonate shells and skeletons is threatened by dissolution as the ocean becomes more acid.

Such phenomena, including the instability of Arctic sea ice and the great ice sheets at today's carbon dioxide amount, show that we have already gone too far. We must draw down atmospheric carbon dioxide to preserve the planet we know. A level of no more than 350 ppm is still feasible, with the help of reforestation and improved agricultural practices, but just barely - time is running out.

Moving Away from Fossil Fuels

Requirements to halt carbon dioxide growth follow from the size of fossil carbon reservoirs. Coal towers over oil and gas. Phasing out the use of coal except where the carbon is captured and stored below ground is the primary requirement for solving global warming.

Oil is used in vehicles, where it is impractical to capture the carbon. But oil is running out. To preserve our planet we must ensure that the next mobile energy source is not obtained by squeezing oil from coal, tar shale, or other fossil fuels.

Fossil fuel reservoirs are finite, which is the main reason that prices are rising. We must move beyond fossil fuels eventually. Solution of the climate problem requires that we move to carbon-free energy promptly.

Special interests have blocked the transition to our renewable energy future. Instead of moving heavily into renewable energies, fossil fuel companies choose to spread doubt about global warming, just as tobacco companies discredited the link between smoking and cancer. Methods are sophisticated, including funding to help shape school textbook discussions of global warming.

CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of the long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.

But the conviction of ExxonMobil and Peabody Coal CEOs will be no consolation if we pass on a runaway climate to our children. Humanity would be impoverished by ravages of continually shifting shorelines and intensification of regional climate extremes. Loss of countless species would leave a more desolate planet.

If politicians remain at loggerheads, citizens must lead. We must demand a moratorium on new coal-fired power plants. We must block fossil fuel interests who aim to squeeze every last drop of oil from public lands, off-shore, and wilderness areas. Those last drops are no solution. They yield continued exorbitant profits for a short-sighted, self-serving industry, but no alleviation of our addiction or long-term energy source.

Pricing Carbon Emissions

Moving from fossil fuels to clean energy is challenging, yet it is also transformative in ways that will be welcomed. Cheap, subsidized fossil fuels engendered bad habits. We import food from halfway around the world, for example, even with healthier products available from nearby fields. Local produce would be competitive were it not for fossil fuel subsidies and the fact that climate change damages and costs, due to fossil fuels, are also borne by the public.

A price on emissions that cause harm is essential. Yes, a carbon tax. A carbon tax with a 100 percent dividend[2] is needed to wean us off of our fossil fuel addiction. A tax and dividend allows the marketplace, not politicians, to make investment decisions.

A carbon tax on coal, oil, and gas is simple, applied at the first point of sale or port of entry. The entire tax must be returned to the public-an equal amount to each adult, a half-share for children. This dividend can be deposited monthly in an individual's bank account.

A carbon tax with a 100 percent dividend is non-regressive. On the contrary, you can bet that low- and middle-income people will find ways to limit their carbon tax and come out ahead. Profligate energy users will have to pay for their excesses.

Demand for low-carbon, high-efficiency products will spur innovation, making U.S. products more competitive on international markets. Carbon emissions will plummet as energy efficiency and renewable energies grow rapidly. Black soot, mercury, and other fossil fuel emissions will decline. A brighter, cleaner future, with energy independence, is possible.

America's Role

Washington likes to spend our tax money line-by-line. Swarms of high-priced lobbyists in alligator shoes help Congress decide where to spend, and in turn the lobbyists' clients provide "campaign" money.

The public must send a message to Washington. Preserve our planet, and creation, for our children and grandchildren, but do not use that as an excuse for more tax-and-spend. Let this be our motto: "One hundred percent dividend or fight!"

The next President must make a national low-loss electric grid an imperative. It will allow dispersed renewable energies to supplant fossil fuels for power generation. Technology exists for direct-current high-voltage buried transmission lines. Trunk lines can be completed in less than a decade and expanded, in a way analogous to interstate highways.

Government must also change utility regulations so that profits do not depend on selling ever more energy, but instead increase with efficiency. Building-code and vehicle-efficiency requirements must be improved and put on a path toward carbon neutrality.

The fossil fuel industry maintains its stranglehold on Washington via demagoguery, using China and other developing nations as scapegoats to rationalize inaction. In fact, the United States produced most of the excess carbon in the air today, and it is to our advantage as a nation to move smartly in finding ways to reduce emissions. As with the ozone problem, developing countries can be allowed limited extra time to reduce emissions. They will cooperate: they have much to lose from climate change and much to gain from clean air and reduced dependence on fossil fuels.

The United States must establish fair agreements with other countries. However, our own tax and dividend should start immediately. We have much to gain from it as a nation, and other countries will copy our success. If necessary, import duties on products from uncooperative countries can level the playing field, with the import tax added to the dividend pool.

Democracy works, but sometimes it churns slowly. Time is short. The 2008 election is critical for the planet. If Americans turn out to pasture the most brontosaurian congressmen, and if Washington adapts to address climate change, our children and grandchildren can still hold great expectations.

Dr. James E. Hansen, a physicist by training, directs the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, a laboratory of the Goddard Space Flight Center and a unit of the Columbia University Earth Institute, but he testifies here as a private citizen.



 

[1] J. Hansen et al., "Target Atmospheric CO2: Where Should Humanity Aim?" submitted 18 June 2008. See http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1126 and http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1135.

[2] The proposed "tax and 100% dividend" is based largely on the cap-and-dividend approach described by Peter Barnes in Who Owns the Sky: Our Common Assets and the Future of Capitalism (Washington, DC: Island Press, 2001). See http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=116&subsecID=149&contentID=3867.

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A body black on the side

A body black on the side facing the sun and totally reflective on the night side can at most be two times that temperature. Medicine is a fringe science organization. So to base an argument on them is questionable. I looked at what is considrered a scientist in their petition and it is a joke. All you need to have is a degree in a remotely related field. I think physics would do. No actual research is required, no publications, no position which involves day to day study of the subject.

Rajendra Pachauri was

Rajendra Pachauri was elected Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 2002. In a recent talk at MIT------- http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/550/------He tells us: "We have a window of seven years to stabilize CO2 at today’s levels if we are to limit our global mean temperature increase to around 2.40C. A world this hot would be a very unpleasant place to be. Pachauri lays out unequivocal” evidence of climate change, and describes how extreme precipitation events, heat waves and other natural catastrophes will become more frequent, endangering vast swaths of humanity. We stand to lose 20-30% of species if warming exceeds 1.5 to 2.5 0C."

I suggest everyone watch

I suggest everyone watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw&feature=related which may cause some of you to think a tiny bit more about the big picture. While not a scientist, I have Engineering and MBA degrees and 35 years of technological experience. I know several people who have worked in climate science for decades, credible folks who know this field and who all say the AGW rhetoric is way off track. I have been a voracious reader and student of climate the sun's effect on earth for about 55 years. I read all sides of these issues and form reasoned opinion based on facts. No one disagrees that the planet has been in a warming cycle since the last ice age. No one disagrees that the planet has been warmer than it is now, and colder than it is now. The science is not at all settled on whether man has had any impact on global temperature. Man's ability to accurately measure temperature in many places is a recent phenomenon, and even that is subject to interpretation and bias. My belief is rooted in some rather simple facts and unknowns: CO2 is .038% of the atmosphere. Man made CO2 is perhaps 3% of that. Thus, man made CO2 is only about one thousandth of one percent (.00114%) of the atmosphere. Climate alarmists say that CO2 takes 100 years to decay, yet empirical evidence shows it decays in 2-10. Climate scientists know that the greenhouse effect is logarithmic, not linear. Compare the minuscule amount of CO2 to water vapor in the atmosphere, which is responsible for upwards of 95% of the total greenhouse effect. This means that Water Vapor is tens, if not hundreds of thousands times more likely to be affecting climate than CO2 or anything else in the air. So what's the problem with water? The story with water is complex, because it is not only the total amount of water vapor in the air, but its unique ability to form those beautiful floating condensates called clouds. These are highly reflective, and have a major impact on the Earth's radiation balance. Computer models, from which all the dire forecasts are derived, are completely at a loss as to how to handle clouds, though the modelers give grudging agreement to their importance. Until this can be resolved, the models fall far short of the accuracy and precision necessary to support the claims that are being made. I find it impossible, given the currently available empirical information, that AGW driven by CO2 or any other man made source is a global catastrophe in the making. The AGW fervor will eventually be cooled, literally, by the next solar cycle or two, and hopefully before it makes the dot com boom bust pale in comparison. It seems to me AGW is bound up in the energy issues of out time. There appears to be a direct correlation between energy production and economic well being. And it appears that those in thriving economies are the ones who can address issues and solve them. Technological solutions that address "potential environmental consequences" are the fruit of healthy economies. While it is good for all of us to work on energy efficiency and developing alternative sources, we should do so for the right reasons. Open markets and their supply-demand framework will most efficiently dictate when and how alternative energy sources will be available and competitive. There will be energy source breakthroughs in solar, hydrogen, wind, tidal, and others not yet thought of, perhaps in our lifetimes. In the meantime, we should not hamstring the world's people and their economies with unproductive, arcane, unscientific, geopolitical, pseudo-environmental policies.

Water vapor is more like a

Water vapor is more like a constant as opposed to a variable. The variable is CO2 and other greenhouse fumes such as methane which are increasing because of man. Although we don't have any control over the water vapor in the atmosphere we do have control over the other gases. Leftbrainthinker reminds us about the economics involved when one debates global warming. If we only spent a trillion on alternative energy these past few years...

That is correct, you are not

That is correct, you are not a scientist. Your arguments above have been repeatedly addressed and then dismissed by real scientists. Head over to Realclimate.org, and learn what the actual science is.

Great Paper here on how

Great Paper here on how accurate Hansen et al's global temperature projections from 1988 were. You have to be impressed by the fact that even twenty years ago, the models were working well.-------http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/103/39/14288----------

You want anecdotal

You want anecdotal evidence?
Try this:

I got married January 1996 in Saskatoon Saskatchewan.
I was there for 3 weeks..... coldest winter anyone there could remember.
The day I arrived it was 10* F below 0. The day we left it was 45* F above.

Every day in between- at some point in the day- it hit 40 below.
EVERY Flippen DAY !!!


My sister-in-law and her family went back and forth from Sask to Pennsylvania twice.
They said there were reports of RECORD LOWS in North Dakota. That was 1996

Just north of Calgary they were still getting snow in May---THIS YEAR !

How's that for equal time?

I still remember back to the 1970s and early 80s how the alarmists were warning of Global Cooling and the coming Ice Age. I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy this now.

Only difference is, that I was a registered Democrat back then.
Then I moved to the Left Coast (California); and that cured me. Thank God!

Life's too short for all this scary stuff. Get on with yours.......


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You're right about one thing

You're right about one thing John Boy and that's life's too short. How about smog? All the pollution that gets trapped in the lower atmosphere causing respiratory problems for people. This is a much more common occurence. What about acid rain? I could go on and on. There is not one benefit to burning fossil fuels such as oil and coal. One cold period in Winter doesn't off-set the overall pattern of warmer temps.

Your right, but how about

Your right, but how about the fact that, according to Hansen's own "adjusted" data, that it was warmer when he gave his testimony than it was 20 years later. That's 2 decades. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt Check May of 1988 then compare to May of 2008. It's getting harder and harder to sell the idea of warming, much less fossil fuel burning is causing the alleged warming. James

Yes, everyone, please look

Yes, everyone, please look at-------http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt-----the increase in temperature since fossil fuel use ramped up in the 1800's. Comparing 1888 to 1988 shows a one degree F increase for that one hundred year period. Here in the US, increase has been two degree F. Models show warming with CO2 increase, data shows warming with CO2 increase. (Yes, Pinstripe Suyts, it is all in reality caused by swamp gas from cosmic ray induced undersea volcano belches, or the sunspots were blocking the iris effect, and now it will get cold for twenty years. All those real scientists are wrong, and you, a most brilliant self educated investigator, have uncovered the real story)(etc, etc)

There was no scientific

There was no scientific consensus in the 1970's towards global cooling---in fact, I remember in 1973 learning about both the Freon issue, and the CO2 issue. Neither the basic science or the facts have changed since then. I also remember the first President Bush and M. Thatcher calling urgently for CO2 controls in the late 80's. Global Warming was a deadly serious issue then--and it is now.

James Hansen's 1988

James Hansen's 1988 projections for global climate were accurate. I got out my copy of the "State of the World 1989 (Worldwatch Institute)", and on page ten there is the chart from "Hansen, 1988". Actual warming since then (NOAA) falls right between his "high scenario" and "low scenario". We are fortunate to have this man working for all of us, and I despise the groups that are working to silence and discredit him.

Hansen got

Hansen got lucky........

George Carlin was not a scientist but he hit the nail on the head with this comedy bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw&feature=related

A little common sense can go a long way.

Hey honest duck....... you gotta lighten up......
Hate to see you get all worked up over nothing.

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Dear Sticky Boy, thank you

Dear Sticky Boy, thank you for your heartfelt efforts. I am impressed by your concern and your sincerity. Thank you for taking the time out of your happy, joy filled existence to cruise around the internet looking for places to dispense your wise utterances. You know what is really cheering me up? Really? Then read what Hansen opinions on this page---high crimes indeed. One truth can defeat a million lies.

Dear Honest Wren, It just

Dear Honest Wren,

It just seems to me that you live an angry life. Mostly concerning things over which you have, ultimately, no control.

You would like to be in control, wouldn't you?
Sorry, but it is not your job.

You can't create rain, cause thunder to roll, start or stop earthquakes, cause flowers to bloom or trees to grow, (aside from planting and watering, what roll do you really have?).
So... join the club of mere mortal; and get over it. Then spend your time on finding that One Truth which can deliver you from your misery.

Maybe, my being happy and Joy filled is part of your struggle, but I prefer it to doom, gloom and misery spread equally amongst the peoples.

Concerned and Sincere (as much as a mere mortal can be)
John Boy

In defense of Honest

In defense of Honest Wren...It's not an angry life we share. It's a frustrated one due to the fact that change is never easy. For many years there has been one school of thought and that's it. If it were up to you John Boy, you'd chop down all the forests, drill and spill oil until there is no more, the atmosphere would be so full of smog and acid rain, develop every parcel of land, devestate every last hill and mountain looking for the last coal, and on an on. This is all in the pursuit of economic prosperity. Yet economic prosperity is just around the corner as jobs are created for alternative energy. The stock market will not care what the price of oil does once America is off the tap, so to speak. Just think if the American car companies years ago started building hybrid vehicles, now they have to try to play catch up to Toyota. What if we already had windmill farms all over the country and vast solar panel farms? What if houses and businesses were constructed properly and energy efficient? Not to mention geothermal's potential.

I love the environment and

I love the environment and do my part NOT to screw it up.

but your dream world of getting off the "tap" is just that.

Oil is not just for fuel you know.......

Your apparent extremism, exposed by the language you use, will not strengthen the economy any more than my apparent lax attitude will kill the planet.

You have no faith in the very planet you love so much. Where do you suppose that nasty oil came from in the first place?

Did you make it?
Can you produce anything that will last even 100 years? One thousand?

You are a pathetic mortal; and you put all your trust in other mortals.

Good luck with that......

What are you doing "not to

What are you doing "not to screw up this planet"? Defending fossil fuel use isn't doing this planet any favors. I know oil isn't just for fuel... it's used for making plastics, tires, and paved roads. In fact, it seems like oil is refined into a lot of things. Plastic is important, the problem is the waste generated and the lack of recycling. The plastic is ending up in our oceans, in particular a whirlpool of a toxic mess the size of Texas located between Hawaii and California. Just because oil is a substance created naturally doesn't mean we have to put it all back into the atmosphere after it settled beneath the ground millions of years ago. The Earth was very warm back then it once all the CO2 is back into the atmosphere 100 years from now we'll be back at those global temperatures. Solar panels, windmills, geothermal will last for decades. So yes to your question about producing anything else. I have a lot of faith in the planet. I don't have faith in man-kind to do the right thing because greed and money gets in the way of what people should do. The best thing that concerned people like myself can do is to get off the grid completely not relying on anyone. That means having solar and wind power, large garden for food, etc.. So as the price of energy, food continues to rise (which it will), we won't have to worry about it as much. We're one hurricane or disaster away from $200 a barrel. Now that's scary.

I have lived in Minnesota

I have lived in Minnesota off and on since I was a kid. The weather has changed quite a bit in the last 10 years. The winters are much more mild and this has been happening gradually but it is a marked difference from 20 years ago. I know for some people in the southern U.S. it's easy say that it's not happening but when you live in the north it's obvious and observable and alarming. And check out the weather over Beijing and Los Angeles if you don't think man's activities have a hand in this. I think the time for the allowance of the "other side" to get equal time has to end, at least on TV "news" shows. James Hansen should not just be testifying in front of Congress, he should be on cable news every day and having meetings with McCain and Obama too. They don't seem to have a clue what needs to be done.

You want anecdotal

You want anecdotal evidence?
Try this:

I got married January 1996 in Saskatoon Saskatchewan.
I was there for 3 weeks..... coldest winter anyone there could remember.
The day I arrived it was 10* F below 0. The day we left it was 45* F above.

Every day in between- at some point in the day- it hit 40 below.
EVERY Flippen DAY !!!


My sister-in-law and her family went back and forth from Sask to Pennsylvania twice.
They said there were reports of RECORD LOWS in North Dakota. That was 1996

Just north of Calgary they were still getting snow in May---THIS YEAR !

How's that for equal time?

I still remember back to the 1970s and early 80s how the alarmists were warning of Global Cooling and the coming Ice Age. I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy this now.

Only difference is, that I was a registered Democrat back then.
Then I moved to the Left Coast (California); and that cured me. Thank God!

Life's too short for all this scary stuff. Get on with yours.......

Not just Hansen, but the

Not just Hansen, but the thousands of scientists who worked on the IPCC 2007 report, and the 30,000 members of the American Geophysical Union, etc. etc. Hansen's call for the accountability of the people deliberating deceiving Americans about a critical issue (the future viability of our current ecosystem) is long overdue, and we need the rest of them to stand up now and tell the public the truth also.

The Global Warming

The Global Warming Scam

From http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/globalwarming.html:

Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research. A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes. Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures. The Sun is in a changed state. It is brighter than it was a few hundred years ago and this brightening started relatively recently - in the last 100 to 150 years." [Telegraph]

Global warming and melting polar ice caps are not just problems here on Earth. Mars is facing similar global changes, researchers say, with temperatures across the red planet rising by around 0.65 degrees over the last few decades. [Register]

For about 300 years Jupiter's banded atmosphere has shown a remarkable feature to telescopic viewers, a large swirling storm system known as The Great Red Spot. In 2006, another red storm system appeared, actually seen to form as smaller whitish oval-shaped storms merged and then developed the curious reddish hue. Now, Jupiter has a third red spot, again produced from a smaller whitish storm. ... Jupiter's recent outbreak of red spots is likely related to large scale climate change as the gas giant planet is getting warmer near the equator. [NASA]

Neptune has been getting brighter since around 1980; furthermore, infrared measurements of the planet since 1980 show that the planet has been warming steadily from 1980 to 2004. As they say on Neptune, global warming has become an inconvenient truth. [World Climate Report]

Looking at annual global temperatures, it is apparent that the last decade shows no warming trend and recent successive annual global temperatures are well within each year's measurement errors. Statistically the world's temperature is flat. The world certainly warmed between 1975 and 1998, but in the past 10 years it has not been increasing at the rate it did. No scientist could honestly look at global temperatures over the past decade and see a rising curve. It is undisputed that the sun of the later part of the 20th century was behaving differently from that of the beginning. Its sunspot cycle is stronger and shorter and, technically speaking, its magnetic field leakage is weaker and its cosmic ray shielding effect stronger. So we see that when the sun's activity was rising, the world warmed. When it peaked in activity in the late 1980s, within a few years global warming stalled. [Telegraph]

Okay, take notes, there will be a quiz at the end of class.

First of all, greenhouse effect is not a bad thing. Without it, our planet would not support life as we know it, as the average temperature would be too cold to support liquid water.

Water vapor is the single most potent greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, trapping more heat than carbon dioxide and methane put together. Estimates of the impact of water vapor on global warming vary widely from a minimum of 60% of all greenhouse effect to 98% of all greenhouse effect, but even at the minimum of 60%, that leaves 40% of greenhouse effect to be shared by all other chemicals combined, including carbon dioxide and methane (which has ten times the greenhouse capacity pound for pound as carbon dioxide).

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Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded.

China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. [DailyTech 2/27/2008]

So let's cut out the dishonesty folks. The idea of man-made global warming is nothing but a scam perpetuated by ignorant anti-Western liberals who, curiously enough, have no harsh words for the truly gross polluters like Communist China and their ilk. Nufsed.

Skeptical of Your Intent.

Skeptical of Your Intent. Everyone, please read RS's lengthy piece, and ask "isn't RS just trying to deny that Man Made CO2 is Warming the Planet"? That big, space hogging, monopolizing, post boils down to one intent. Hey, RS, where's the beef? If you want us to disbelieve an incredibly simple scientific understanding, show us a single, peer reviewed paper by a practicing climate scientist (who is not funded by the fossil fuel industry) which disputes that Man Made CO2 is Warming the Planet". Your disinformation's intent is clear----why do you appear to be working so hard to disinform us?

There isn't enough

There isn't enough observational sites world-wide to use climate data alone to track global warming. Glaciers, ice caps, and other signs in nature are telling the story. In fact, this summer may see an ice free North Pole I just read. I must have long term memory lose because I recall this past winter being rather mild. Lots of record high temps, little snow. My dad grew up in Minnesota and he can remember weeks at a time far below zero. Minnesota hasn't seen that type of cold in a long time. My cousin who still lives there agrees. Storms are getting worse it seems, but that is associated with the warming. The good thing is oil is $141 and rising. That'll change how much people use because it's so expensive. After all, it takes money before people will change their ways. Most don't care about the polar bears and other animals. I just hope they don't push for nuclear for energy, there are many better alternatives. I will agree China and India are big time polluters also, but I do believe America created that problem by buying their cheap junk.

The primary greenhouse gas

The primary greenhouse gas is water vapor, not carbon dioxide. - No argument here. However except for plains and contrails, were not significantly affecting this. If we are I suggest we start adding plains to the bad boy list. A true environmentalist has a policy of zero impact. We should live on the planet with zero impact. I can hear some screaming no way its not possible. Yes, it is we will soon be shamed that we did not act sooner when we see the world we create. We will be shamed to talk to our children. If you have been to the swiss alps it is beautiful. We could have that everywhere

You conveniently forget to

You conveniently forget to mention that global warming is happening on all planets in this solar system...even those without SUVs and coal-burning power plants!

Jupiter

A new storm and a new red spot on Jupiter hints at climate change, USA TODAY and dozens of other sources explained yesterday. The temperatures are expected to change by as much as 10 Fahrenheit degrees at different places of the globe. At least close to the new spot and to the equator, nothing less than global warming is expected.

Neptune

The climate of Neptune - more precisely its reflectivity - was recently changing. Lockwood and Hammel argue in Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 34 (2007) that the trends on Neptune reveal suggestive correlations of brightness of Neptune with the temperature trends on Earth, indicating their common solar origin - although I am not quite sure whether the sign is as expected.

Triton

Triton is Neptune's largest Moon. Some people believe that it used to be an asteroid. Global warming was detected on Triton. Between 1989 and 1998, the temperature jumped by 5 percent on the absolute (Kelvin) scale. The same relative increase would raise the Earth's temperature by 22 degrees Fahrenheit in 9 years. See thousands of other pages about the global warming on Triton.

Saturn

Saturn itself has a rather warm southern pole, and the temperatures in that region suddenly jumped by 3-5 Kelvin degrees. Well, it's warm because it's been exposed to sunshine for quite some time but the magnitude of the temperature jumps is not trivial to calculate.

Pluto (no longer considered a planet, but what the heck?)

What's going on with Pluto? Well, yes, your guess is right. There is global warming on Pluto. Pluto's atmospheric pressure has tripled in 14 years, and the associated increase of temperature is estimated to be around 3.5 Fahrenheit degrees, despite the motion of Pluto away from the Sun.

Mars

Of course, the global warming on Mars is a well-known story. Between 1975 and 2000, Mars warmed up by 0.65 Celsius degrees, much faster than Earth: see Nature 2007. The warming has been used by this blog to discover the Martians. More seriously, we have explained that the dramatic and speedy melting of the Martian icecaps is caused by the greenhouse effect. 95% of "their" atmosphere is made of carbon dioxide; that's slightly more than 0.038% of our atmosphere. The warming trend on Mars is simply undeniable...sans SUVs and other technologies the Chicken Littles like to blame.

The primary greenhouse gas

The primary greenhouse gas is water vapor, not carbon dioxide. - No argument here. However except for plains and contrails, were not significantly affecting this. If we are I suggest we start adding plains to the bad boy list. A true environmentalist has a policy of zero impact. We should live on the planet with zero impact. I can hear some screaming no way it snot possible. Yes, it is we will soon be shamed that we did not act sooner when we see the world we create. We will be shamed to talk to our children. If you have been to the swiss alps it is beautiful. We could have that everywhere, it just a matter of giving up oil, and working on LENR, magnetic motors, bendini motors, pulse motors with back emf cancellation. These have all been called free energy device because the fuel is so cheap. Oil used to be free energy. You would poke a hole in the ground and oil came gushing out. These guys claim to have a working 50Kw prototype: http://www.blacklightpower.com/ •The lack of solar activity in recent months suggests global cooling might be our biggest potential climate change problem in coming years

Interesting you didn't

Interesting you didn't mention Venus. Venus has so much CO2 in the atmosphere that the greenhouse effect makes the planet extremely hot! Venus is similar to Earth in size. If we don't stop putting CO2 into the atmosphere some day we will end up like Venus. In regards to the other planets. Do we have sensors mounted on the planets? No. It is all estimated via telescopes and satellites. Also, their atmospheres are much different than ours. Venus is closest in relation and we'll be catching up with that planet in about 100 years at this rate.

This boogey about Venus

This boogey about Venus shows the lack of understanding of basic physics so common in alarmists' screeds . The Stefan-Boltzmann law specifies the temperature of a black body at a given distance from the sun and all the inner planets other than Venus are virtually within observational error of that calculated value . A body black on the side facing the sun and totally reflective on the night side can at most be two times that temperature . Venus , which barely rotates and has the highest reflectivity of any inner planet and therefore according to the standard explanation of the need for a greenhouse effect should be the relatively coolest , is in fact about two and a quarter times its Stefan-Boltzmann temperature on both its day and night sides .

It is in fact radiating far more energy , more than 16 times more , than it could be receiving from the sun .

Venus's heat must come from some other source , perhaps volcanic or tidal . It is totally bogus to make any inference that any concentration of CO2 , much less our few molecules per 10,000 , could have such an effect on our planet . -- www.CoSy.com --

Exactly. If it should be

Exactly. If it should be cooler then CO2 explains it. It doesn't allow for the heating to escape back into space as it gets trapped in the atmosphere by the high concentrations of CO2. It's that simple. The energy is from years of build up at the surface, hence the extra heat produced. The surface must be very hot.

I would like to comment on

I would like to comment on reasoned sceptics comment.
1st - Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine is a fringe science organization. So to base an argument on them is questionable. I looked at what is considrered a scientist in their petition and it is a joke. All you need to have is a degree in a remotely related field. I think physics would do. No actual research is required, no publications, no position which involves day to day study of the subject. I mean that is not a scientist. So they are obviously trying to mislead. They are also rummors that they are significant dupplications of names on their list. I mean this is not a petition to stop a parking lot from being built, a scientific opinion is required.

2nd Let me go throught the bullet points.

•The earth is no warmer now than it was in 1998.
- How conveninent pick a nearby year, that may have been a peak ignoring trend lines. Trend lines are what is important you can always find an outlier in data. You may find the historical temperature of the earth on wikipedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming (notice the sources, I am documenting may claims! )

•Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, but a gas indispensable to plant life. Plants, in turn, release oxygen, which sustains animal and human life.
- True, but so is arsenic. http://jn.nutrition.org/nutinfo/content/arse.shtml
Basically it is all about quantity. I hope you are getting the point.

•The primary greenhouse gas is water vapor, not carbon dioxide.
- No argument here. However except for plains and contrails, were not significantly affecting this. If we are I suggest we start adding plains to the bad boy list. A true environmentalist has a policy of zero impact. We should live on the planet with zero impact. I can hear some screaming no way it snot possible. Yes, it is we will soon be shamed that we did not act sooner when we see the world we create. We will be shamed to talk to our children. If you have been to the swiss alps it is beautiful. We could have that everywhere, it just a matter of giving up oil, and working on LENR, magnetic motors, bendini motors, pulse motors with back emf cancellation. These have all been called free energy device because the fuel is so cheap. Oil used to be free energy. You would poke a hole in the ground and oil came gushing out. These guys claim to have a working 50Kw prototype: http://www.blacklightpower.com/

•The lack of solar activity in recent months suggests global cooling might be our biggest potential climate change problem in coming years.
- Ok now this is just a joke. You can tell this was not written by a scientist. ( I know who am I to talk I am claiming the second law of themodynamics is wrong, not quite I am only claiming we have untapped not visible waterfalls). Solar cycles are over periods of 11 years and they are known to vary.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#Solar_variation
We are also in an expected low, it is just lasting a bit longer than expected. We will have to wait a couple more months to find out. But I mean come on you can't predict stuff with such sparse data. And using such an argument points to desperation.
More info can be found here:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080609124551.htm

•The planet has had weather disasters, extremes, and anomalies since it has been here. We just didn?t have 24 hour news channels and the Internet in prior decades to spread the news.
- True and false. Yes we have had disasters however I don't think the 24hr news channel is affecting the scientists data. You can find some info regarding trned in natural disasters here:
http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/trends-in-natural-disasters

I would agree that data before 1960's is suspect as there are some regions of the world which did not report these disasters. After 1950 thought any major event should have been reported. I find the 1980 to 2000 zoom most interesting!
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The outside world is a reflection of the inner world!

CO2 is Warming the Planet.

CO2 is Warming the Planet. If you bother to read ReasonedSkeptic's pasted post, recognize that the one and only fact he attempting to chisel away at is that "Man Made CO2 is Warming the Planet" This is the stated goal.

If you'd read my post

If you'd read my post instead of making stupidly false claims, you'd have discovered that CO2 is not the culprit: water vapor, on the other hand, is.

Talk about disinformation...you spew it all the time, dishonestwren.

You claim that I am "spewing

You claim that I am "spewing disinformation"? What's that, I ask? That Man Made CO2 is Warming the Planet, as accepted by +99.9% of the scientists working in the field? Are you saying that they are all "spewing disinformation" also? You must be either an incredibly superb scientist to have disproved what so many thousands accept as fact, or incredibly isolated in your own little ideological fantasy, or maybe just (fill in the blank).....

Global Warming Movement

Global Warming Movement Turns Cool
By EPW Blog Wednesday, June 25, 2008

Excerpt: Two years ago, it seemed like nothing could stop the global warming train. Most of the media, those in Hollywood, politicians (many on both sides of the cultural divide), and ?enlightened environmentalists? were all telling us that man was causing runaway warming of the earth?s atmosphere, meaning global catastrophe only decades ahead for all of us. Scary stuff. The problem is that a majority of those in this almost religious movement have little training in atmospheric science, and little understanding of the issue.

They jumped on the bandwagon because it matches their worldview, or pads their pocket. This issue has generated great wealth on both sides of the argument, and I need to say up front I have absolutely no financial interest in climate. I am paid the same regardless of whether man is involved in climate change or not, and I have never taken a dime for a speech on the subject. The simple truth is that the anthropogenic global warming train has slowed to a crawl, and the riders are jumping off as the facts are discovered. [?] I encourage all of you to read material on BOTH sides of the issue and make up your own mind. Mr Gore, the science is ?not settled?, and the invitation for a debate remains wide open. Heaven help us this fall when ABC television tells us that the world, as we know it, is about to end because of ?global warming?. Never let facts get in the way of a good story, especially one that scares you to death. I consider myself an environmentalist. There are some serious environmental issues out there. ?Global warming? is not one of them.

Global Warming Movement Turns Cool

James Spann

Let me warn you, this is a little longer than my usual posts here, but it was prompted by a big op-ed article in the Birmingham News this morning. Take the time to read it, if you dare. Seems like our local paper has settled on one side of the climate change debate, which is certainly their right. But, I have the right to publish this article as well?.

Two years ago, it seemed like nothing could stop the global warming train. Most of the media, those in Hollywood, politicians (many on both sides of the cultural divide), and ?enlightened environmentalists? were all telling us that man was causing runaway warming of the earth?s atmosphere, meaning global catastrophe only decades ahead for all of us.

Scary stuff.

The problem is that a majority of those in this almost religious movement have little training in atmospheric science, and little understanding of the issue. They jumped on the bandwagon because it matches their worldview, or pads their pocket. This issue has generated great wealth on both sides of the argument, and I need to say up front I have absolutely no financial interest in climate. I am paid the same regardless of whether man is involved in climate change or not, and I have never taken a dime for a speech on the subject.

The simple truth is that the anthropogenic global warming train has slowed to a crawl, and the riders are jumping off as the facts are discovered.

What is the truth? Lets begin with something we all can agree on. The climate IS changing. It has always changed, it is changing now, and it will always change.

Beyond that, here are some simple facts that make those left on the global warming train very uncomfortable:

  • The earth is no warmer now than it was in 1998.
  • Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, but a gas indispensable to plant life. Plants, in turn, release oxygen, which sustains animal and human life.
  • The primary greenhouse gas is water vapor, not carbon dioxide.
  • The lack of solar activity in recent months suggests global cooling might be our biggest potential climate change problem in coming years.
  • The planet has had weather disasters, extremes, and anomalies since it has been here. We just didn?t have 24 hour news channels and the Internet in prior decades to spread the news.

I have been doing the weather on local television for 30 years, and EVERY YEAR I have had people come up to me and tell me that they can ?never remember the weather being this strange?.

Most of those that you see and hear speaking on the subject have little scientific knowledge. Here is a quote from Dr. Roy Spencer, a climatologist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, from an article he penned recently:

?Alarmists like Al Gore will use pseudo-scientific justifications and comparisons in their attempt to make a connection between carbon dioxide and global warming. Even though CO2 is necessary for life on Earth, the alarmists insist on calling it a pollutant, referring to our atmosphere as an ?open sewer.? For instance, Gore likes to point out that Venus has far more CO2 in its atmosphere than the Earth does, and its surface is hot enough to melt lead. Therefore, more CO2 causes warming. But we also know that the Martian atmosphere has 15 times as much CO2 as our own atmosphere, and its surface temperature averages about 70 deg. F below zero. So you see, in science a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.?

Dr. James McClintock (marine biologist at UAB) today, in an op-ed piece published by the Birmingham News, claims that Antarctica is ?warming quickly?. Dr. McClintock, I am sure, is an excellent marine biologist, and I would not even make an effort to challenge his knowledge of that science. But, what is his background in atmospheric science? And, where does that claim come from?

Here is what Certified Consulting Meteorologist (CCM) Joe D?Aleo says about this:

?The shattered part of the Wilkins ice sheet was 160 square miles in area, which is just 0.01% of the total current Antarctic ice cover, like an icicle falling from a snow and ice covered roof,? D?Aleo wrote on March 25. ?We are very likely going to exceed last year?s record [for Southern Hemisphere ice extent]. Yet the world is left with the false impression Antarctica?s ice sheet is also starting to disappear,? D?Aleo added.

And, from climate scientist Ben Herman, past director of the Institute of Atmospheric Physics and former Head of the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Arizona: ?It is interesting that all of the AGW (anthropogenic global warming) stories concerning Antarctica are always about what?s happening around the [western] peninsula, which seems to be the only place on Antarctica that has shown warming. How about the net ?no change? or ?cooling? over the rest of the continent, which is probably about 95% of the land mass, not to mention the record sea ice coverage recently.?

I also should note that the mythical UN IPCC ?consensus? continues to crumble? Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist who specializes in optical waveguide spectroscopy from the University of Tokyo, and a top UN IPCC Scientist, calls global warming fears: the ?worst scientific scandal in history? in the weblog of former Colorado State Climatologist Dr. Roger Pielke.

Here is what Canadian climatologist Tim Ball says about the IPCC: ?The IPCC is a political organization and yet it is the sole basis of the claim of a scientific consensus on climate change. Consensus is neither a scientific fact nor important in science, but it is very important in politics. There are 2500 members in the IPCC divided between 600 in Working Group I (WGI), who examine the actual climate science, and 1900 in working Groups II and III (WG II and III), who study ?Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability? and ?Mitigation of Climate Change? respectively. Of the 600 in WGI, 308 were independent reviewers, but only 32 reviewers commented on more than three chapters and only five reviewers commented on all 11 chapters of the report. They accept without question the findings of WGI and assume warming due to humans is a certainty. In a circular argument typical of so much climate politics the work of the 1900 (less than one percent of the scientific population) is listed as ?proof? of human caused global warming. Through this they established the IPCC as the only credible authority thus further isolating those who raised questions.?

I find it interesting that most of the predictions coming from the IPCC are based on computer model output. Those of us in the trench, who deal with the Earth?s atmosphere every day, know that computer model data is often horrible 24 hours in advance? how bad can it be out to 50 or 100 years?

The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine this month announced that 31,072 U.S. scientists (9,021 with PhDs) signed a petition stating that ?? There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will cause in the future, catastrophic heating of the Earth?s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth?s climate??

John Coleman, meteorologist and founder of The Weather Channel, calls the GW movement the greatest scam in history.

I encourage all of you to read material on BOTH sides of the issue and make up your own mind. Mr Gore, the science is ?not settled?, and the invitation for a debate remains wide open.

Heaven help us this fall when ABC television tells us that the world, as we know it, is about to end because of ?global warming?. Never let facts get in the way of a good story, especially one that scares you to death.

I consider myself an environmentalist. There are some serious environmental issues out there. ?Global warming? is not one of them. One of the best ways to become a truly environmentally concerned person is to walk the banks of an Alabama river or stream for a half day and pick up trash and garbage. Anyone want to join me?

You are not an

You are not an environmentalist. Please don't insult the true environmentalist. Picking up some litter by a river is noble, but far from dealing with all the other major problems we are facing. I'm not going to list them because it would be a book. Not to mention you like oil. Oil is so bad for the environment from burning it to spilling it. Being an environmentalist is a life style. From organics, to recycling and consuming less, to every aspect of living that is natural and non-polluting.

CO2 is Warming the Planet.

CO2 is Warming the Planet. If you bother to read ReasonedSkeptic's pasted post, recognize that the one and only fact he attempting to chisel away at is that "Man Made CO2 is Warming the Planet" This is the stated goal.

Having another

Having another "disinformation" meltdown, eh dishonestwren? *smirk*

Dear ReasonedSkeptic. What

Dear ReasonedSkeptic. What are your motives?

This is a very interesting

This is a very interesting post, even though I noticed a large number of fringe unconvential viewpoints which refer to themselves as sceptics. Sceptic is a term reserverd for people that defend the views of the establishment and are sceptical of things which are not mainstream science. Some examples of not mainstream science would be, psyhcic power, low energy nuclear reaction (cold fusion), brown gas, ufo's, Eestor's Ultra capacitor battery (This battery would by itself make the internal combustion engine obsolete), and at the intersection of fringe an accepted you find cutting edge science. Some examples of cutting edge science would be Nanosolar and solar cheaper than coal, Sungri and once again solar cheaper than coal. Now the view that global warming is not man made is fringe science at best. Now I tend to agree, that CO2 is not the entire story. I think there is a solar contribution as well as a dimensional energy contribution. Now I also have some more extreme views, which I at least aknowledge to not be part of main stream science. One such view is that the size of the earth might increase due to an influx of dimesional energies at the poles. This same energy is the cause for the mysterious hexagon on Saturn.

Now this said, I am a firm believer that nature should be left to do what nature does. Pollution is ALLWAYS bad. The people who would like to continue polluting are like people that live in a lake and want to keep on pissing in the lake. There excuse is that it has no effect and the animals do it too. This continues untill you have 1 million people doing it. The end result, disease and ecological disaster. It is human nature to want to get stuff for free. So I understand the polluters. But since I doubt they are normally espouse fringe/unconventional viewpoints, I find it strange that they are being mouth pieces for fringe science now.

By the way you should check out a little piece on the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicice", the initiators of the global warming petition: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medicine

Here is a little snippet "As of the Fall of 2007, OISM continued to mail petition cards along with a reprint of "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide," now cited as having been published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (2007) 12, 79-90, with Arthur B. Robinson, Noah E. Robinson, and Willie Soon listed as the authors. The journal is published by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeonswhose director is Jane Orient (see above), a professor at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine. Also included in the mailing is a copy of a Wall Street Journal Op-Ed article entitled "Global Warming is 300-Year-Old News" authored by Arthur and Noah Robinson and dated January 18, 2000."

Maybe I am wrong and they are trully open minded people looking at all the scientific opinions. In that case I am going to list a few websites with some unconventional science. Happy reading:

The outside world is a reflection of the inner world!
http://www.lenr-canr.org/
http://www.energyfromthevacuum.com/
http://www.theorionproject.org/en/misterq2.html
http://www.zpenergy.com

Understanding the

Understanding the ReasonedSkeptic:-------------- Disinformation is the deliberate dissemination of false information. It may include the distribution of forged documents, manuscripts, and photographs, or propagation of malicious rumors and fabricated intelligence. In the context of espionage or military intelligence, it is the deliberate spreading of false information to mislead an enemy as to one's position or course of action. In the context of politics, it is the deliberate attempt to deflect voter support of an opponent, disseminating false statements of innuendo based on the candidates vulnerabilities as revealed by opposition research. In both cases, it also includes the distortion of true information in such a way as to render it useless.---Wikipedia

Perhaps if you could stop

Perhaps if you could stop parroting the "disinformation" nonsense, you'd learn something for a change. But you instead prefer to cling to your ignorance and demand that others bow down to your anti-science dogma.

I'm happy to break it to you that you and your kind are the laughingstock of the scientific community and the public at large. You just think that everyone's laughing with you is all.

Just so you didn't miss it,

Just so you didn't miss it, here is a response to an inquiry you made of me earlier. Dear honestwren, not homework, I have a job as stated earlier. Actually finding scientists that disagree with AGW alarmist crowd is pretty easy to find. I'll start with a fellow because I believe his quote is very worthwhile to read. I assume you'll get tired of reading after a bit and I don't wish you to miss this. I could have made the list as large as I wished but found this to be a tedious exercise. While I don't believe I'll sway your opinion one way or another, or that you'll believe this small sampling of scientists that are skeptical of the ACO2 theory are credible. What I do wish is for you to do some critical thinking for yourself. It is not my purpose to confuse, but rather clear some things up for you. In science, there are damned few absolutes. When someone poses as a scientist and states that he knows something as an unequivocal truth, then you really must cast a wary eye towards the source. Now that I've jumped through your hoops, answer me this question, did you look at the link to I provided ( http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt )to GISS' own data? Did you look at the numbers in May 1988 and compare to May 2008? What say you? How is this explained? I don't need a "peer reviewed article" written by a scientist(in bed with fossil fuel or not) to tell me it was slightly warmer in May 1988 than it was in May 2008. Given that man is releasing considerably more CO2 now than then.....well....hard to worry about the temp, much less CO2 or the predicted impending doom from 2 decades ago. Any rate, without further ado, here are some scientists that seem to have an opposing view to the AGW theory. Regards, James Philip Stott is a professor emeritus of biogeography at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, and a former editor (1987-2004) of the Journal of Biogeography. His quote....."... the global warming myth harks back to a lost Golden Age of climate stability, or, to employ a more modern term, climate 'sustainability'. Sadly, the idea of a sustainable climate is an oxymoron. The fact that we have rediscovered climate change at the turn of the Millennium tells us more about ourselves, and about our devices and desires, than about climate. Opponents of global warming are often snidely referred to as 'climate change deniers'; precisely the opposite is true. Those who question the myth of global warming are passionate believers in climate change - it is the global warmers who deny that climate change is the norm." (see also his essay on environmental change and La Brea) His works...... Global environmental change (Blackwell Science: largely on climate change) (with Dr. Peter Moore and Professor Bill Chaloner) Political ecology: science, myth and power (Edward Arnold; Oxford USA) (edited with Dr. Sian Sullivan) Another.... Henrik Svensmark is a physicist at the Danish National Space Center in Copenhagen who studies the effects of cosmic rays on cloud formation. director of the Centre for Sun-Climate Research at the Danish Space Research Institute (DSRI), a part of the Danish National Space Center, previously headed the sun-climate group at DSRI. He also held postdoctoral positions in physics at three other organizations: University of California, Berkeley, Nordic Institute for Theoretical Physics, and the Niels Bohr Institute. His quote..... "Our team ... has discovered that the relatively few cosmic rays that reach sea-level play a big part in the everyday weather. They help to make low-level clouds, which largely regulate the Earth’s surface temperature. During the 20th Century the influx of cosmic rays decreased and the resulting reduction of cloudiness allowed the world to warm up. ... most of the warming during the 20th Century can be explained by a reduction in low cloud cover." His works....Henrik Svensmark (1998). "Influence of Cosmic Rays on Earth's Climate". Physical Review Letters 81: 5027–5030. doi:10.1103/PhysRevLett.81.5027. Henrik Svensmark, Jens Olaf P. Pedersen, Nigel D. Marsh, Martin B. Enghoff & Ulrik I. Uggerhøj (2007). "Experimental evidence for the role of ions in particle nucleation under atmospheric conditions". Proceedings of the Royal Society A: Mathematical, Physical and Engineering Sciences 463: 385–396. doi:10.1098/rspa.2006.1773. Henrik Svensmark (2007). "Astronomy & Geophysics Cosmoclimatology: a new theory emerges". Astronomy & Geophysics 48 (1): 1.18–1.24. doi:10.1111/j.1468-4004.2007.48118.x. Roy W. Spencer is a principal research scientist for University of Alabama in Huntsville. If you follow the climate debate at all. Here is a quote of his "For instance, Mr. Gore claims that the Earth is now warmer than it has been in thousands of years. Yet the latest National Academies of Science (NAS) report on the subject has now admitted that all we really know is that we are warmer now than we were during the last 400 years, which is mostly made up of the 'Little Ice Age.'" This statement seems to state that any warming we are seeing is a natural recovery from a cool period of time. Here are some of his published/peer reviewed papers. Spencer, R.W., et al. Cloud and radiation budget changes associated with tropical intraseasonal oscillations - Geophys. Res. Lett, 2007 Spencer, R.W., and W.D. Braswell, 1997: How dry is the tropical free troposphere? Implications for global warming theory. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 78. Christy, John R., R.W. Spencer, and W.D. Braswell, 1997: How accurate are satellite thermometers? Nature, 25 September. Spencer, R.W., J.R. Christy, and N.C. Grody, 1996: Analysis of "Examination of ‘Global atmospheric temperature monitoring with satellite microwave measurements’". Climatic Change, 33, 477-489. Spencer, R.W., W. M. Lapenta, and F. R. Robertson, 1995: Vorticity and vertical motions diagnosed from satellite deep layer temperatures. Mon. Wea. Rev., 123,1800-1810. Here's another guy.... Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovskaya Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences: Here is his quote.... "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy - almost throughout the last century - growth in its intensity...Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated...Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away" Here is a couple of his works... Abdusamatov, K. I. (2004), Space solar limbograph, in Corbett, Ian F., “Multi-Wavelength Investigations of Solar Activity”, Proceedings of the International Astronomical Union (Cambridge University Press) 2004 (AUS223): 605-606, doi:10.1017/S1743921304006969, Abdusamatov, K. I. (2006), “Space-based solar limbograph”, Journal of Optical Technology 73 (4): 242-244, Here is another person..... Sallie Baliunas Her credentals..... Sallie Baliunas is an astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in the Solar, Stellar, and Planetary Sciences Division and formerly Deputy Director of the Mount Wilson Institute. She serves as Senior Scientist at the George C. Marshall Institute in Washington, DC, and chairs the Institute's Science Advisory Board. She is also Visiting Professor at Brigham Young University, Adjunct Professor at Tennessee State University and past contributing editor to the World Climate Report. Previously Robert Wesson Endowment Fund Fellow (1993 – 1994) at the Hoover Institution. She was a co-host of Tech Central Station. Her quote...."[T]he recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air." Some of her works...."Combatting global warming would be a waste," Sallie Baliunas, July 25, 2003 "Lessons & Limits of Climate History: Was the 20th Century Climate Unusual?," Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas, April 17, 2003 "Reconstructing Climatic and Environmental Changes of the Past 1000 Years: A Reappraisal," Willie Soon, Sallie Baliunas, Sherwood B. Idso, Craig Idso and David R. Legates, April 11, 2003 "Extreme Weather Events: Examining Causes and Responses," Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon, March 25, 2003 "Climate History and the Sun," Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon, June 5, 2001 "First Eurocongress on the Solar Cycle and Terrestrial Climate," Willie Soon, Sallie Baliunas, Kirill Ya. Kondratyev, Sherwood B. Idso and Eric S. Posmentier, September 30, 2000 I know that its been reported that she works for Exxon, but other than some extreme blog spots, I've found no evidence that she has. I could, as you know, submit her collaborator Willie Soon but I find little reason to do so. James James

Your Scientists and Their

Your Scientists and Their Funding:------from this article---http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=7603--------- Harvard astrophysicist Willie Soon, one of the paper's authors, then spoke, claiming his work showed that 20th-century temperatures were not, in fact, anomalous. He didn't note, however, that his research had been partly funded by the American Petroleum Institute. Soon -- who did not respond to written questions submitted for this article -- was backed by David Legates of the University of Delaware, another contrarian and co-author of a later version of the paper. Both scientists have collaborated in the past with the George C. Marshall Institute, an organization skeptical of much climate-change science that received $90,000 from ExxonMobil in 2002, the last year for which records are currently available. Until recently, Soon was a senior scientist with the institute and received a small stipend for his work, according to President William O'Keefe, and Legates has written a paper and book chapter for the group. O'Keefe himself has previously chaired the (anti-Kyoto Protocol) Global Climate Coalition and served as chief operating officer of the American Petroleum Institute. In addition, he's a registered lobbyist for ExxonMobil---------In 1998, The New York Times reported on an American Petroleum Institute memo outlining a strategy to invest millions to "maximize the impact of scientific views consistent with ours with Congress, the media and other key audiences." ----Moreover, since its publication in 2003, the work of Soon and Legates has been embroiled in controversy over its scientific legitimacy. After Soon's original paper -- co-authored with fellow Harvard-Smithsonian astrophysicist Sallie Baliunas,-----Ironically, the mercury issue links back to climate change in a surprising way. In December 2003, the Center for Science and Public Policy at the conservative Frontiers of Freedom Institute came out with a report saying that the EPA's initial push to regulate mercury stringently -- since watered down -- was "not justified by science." Like Inhofe's staff, the report treated the Seychelles work of Gary Myers as definitive. One of the report's two authors was none other than Dr. Willie Soon, listed as "science director" of the Center for Science and Public Policy. Frontiers of Freedom received $232,000 from ExxonMobil in 2002.------But perhaps the most anti-scientific part of Inhofe's agenda has been his involvement in a legal push, led by the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute (which received $405,000 from ExxonMobil in 2002), to suppress a trailblazing Clinton-era report focusing on potential impacts of climate change on different U.S. regions -- the so-called National Assessment -----If Inhofe is out of step with science, though, he's right in line with his conservative and pro-business constituency. Since 1999, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, Inhofe has received almost $300,000 in campaign donations from oil and gas interests and nearly $180,000 from electric utilities. In the 2002 election cycle, he received more oil and gas contributions than any senator except Texas' John Cornyn.

I am always astounded and

I am always astounded and disgusted when I see the ridiculous ad hominem arguments that some particular climate realist received some pittance from some company which produced the energy the accuser warmed their house and drove to work with . It is particularly ironic here commenting on an article by James Hansen who received a quarter million dollars from the eco-extremist Teresa Heinz ( and Johnn Kerry ) fund . The alarmists have literally a thousand times the money thrown at them than those who stand against this insanity .

No argument is so stale and irrelevant .

-- www.CoSy.com --

SUYTS---Above Average. You

SUYTS---Above Average. You know, I carefully worded my request. Soon and Baliunas, Tech Central, etc have recieved hundreds of thousands of dollars from Exxon, as has GMI. They can't qualify, and their "work" has been shredded. BTW, others scanning the corporate reports, reported recently, that despite Exxon's claim to have finally stopped funding the denier machine Exxon is still sending money to Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, where, as you have pointed out, Soon and Baliunas collect their paycheck.----Spencer and Christy and Lindzen are all on record stating the Man Made CO2 is, and Will, Warm the Planet ( I'll send the links if you want but I think you know all this already).------Still reading the post-----Looks likes you might have an actual candidate with Khabibullo Abdusamatov! DING DING! Hat's off SUYTS! You are almost there. Now, point me to the actual peer reviewed paper where Khabibullo Abdusamatov disputes "Man Made CO2 is warming the Planet", and I will accept that you have found. Great Stuff.

Sigh, Multi-Wavelength

Sigh, Multi-Wavelength Investigations of Solar Activity was a paper that he submitted stating that the variances of the earth temp is caused by the sun. You can view the abstract here....http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005KFNT...21..471A. If our temps variations are caused by the sun, then it is inferred that the variations are not caused by something else, ie. CO2. And what of Henrik Svensmark? Now, find five scientists with peer reviewed papers that support the A global warming that have never had anything to do with government, government grants, the UN or political patronage. Or, you can accept that good science isn't opinion based or bought in any way. Either the science is correct or it isn't. If you have a problem with some of the scientists works, point out the problem. The fact that some chose to feed their families with funds outside the UN doesn't invalidate their work. Regards, James

Double Bogus reference

Double Bogus reference SUYTS---------A write up of some preentations given at a conference is not even, as you deceptively claim, "a paper that was submitted". It is certainly not a peer reviewed paper. Double bogus! You are failing! Still waiting.------------------- Multi-Wavelength Investigations of Solar Activity (IAU S223) Series: Proceedings of the International Astronomical Union Symposia and Colloquia Edited by Alexander V. Stepanov Pulkovo Observatory, St. Petersburg Elena E. Benevolenskaya Stanford University, California Alexander G. Kosovichev Stanford University, California Hardback (ISBN-13: 9780521851954 | ISBN-10: 0521851955) Published May 2005 In stock $96.00 (Z) These Proceedings present the most recent results from the highly successful international solar space missions (SOHO, CORONAS-F, TRACE, RHESSI, YOHKOH) and ground observatories around the Earth, reported at the IAU Symposium 223 held in St. Petersburg, Russia, June 14-19, 2004. These include discussions of the current theories of solar dynamics and activity, new constraints provided by the multi-wavelength observations of the Sun from the interior to the heliosphere, as well as discussions of future coordinated plans and efforts of multi-wavelength investigations of the Sun. The Proceedings contain the material of seven plenary sessions and three round-table discussions

SUYTS: an actual quote from

SUYTS: an actual quote from the National Post:-----Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a greenhouseeffect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he maintains. "Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away."-----I'll accept that he actually believes this. NOW, last hoop SUYTS, and post the actual peer reviewed published paper where he lays out the scientific basis of his assertion, and it passed the review process.---------------

Sorry, dishonestwren, you're

Sorry, dishonestwren, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Let's recap on the inconvenient things that you, in your blatant dishonesty by omission, choose to ignore:

  1. Most scientists do not believe human activities threaten to disrupt the Earth’s climate. More than 17,000 scientists have signed a petition circulated by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine saying, in part, “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” (Go to www.oism.org for the complete petition and names of signers.) Surveys of climatologists show similar skepticism.
  2. Our most reliable sources of temperature data show no global warming trend. Satellite readings of temperatures in the lower troposphere (an area scientists predict would immediately reflect any global warming) show no warming since readings began 23 years ago. These readings are accurate to within 0.01ºC, and are consistent with data from weather balloons. Only land-based temperature stations show a warming trend, and these stations do not cover the entire globe, are often contaminated by heat generated by nearby urban development, and are subject to human error.
  3. Global climate computer models are too crude to predict future climate changes. All predictions of global warming are based on computer models, not historical data. In order to get their models to produce predictions that are close to their designers’ expectations, modelers resort to “flux adjustments” that can be 25 times larger than the effect of doubling carbon dioxide concentrations, the supposed trigger for global warming. Richard A. Kerr, a writer for Science, says “climate modelers have been ‘cheating’ for so long it’s almost become respectable.”
  4. The IPCC did not prove that human activities are causing global warming. Alarmists frequently quote the executive summaries of reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a United Nations organization, to support their predictions. But here is what the IPCC’s latest report, Climate Change 2001, actually says about predicting the future climate: “The Earth’s atmosphere-ocean dynamics is chaotic: its evolution is sensitive to small perturbations in initial conditions. This sensitivity limits our ability to predict the detailed evolution of weather; inevitable errors and uncertainties in the starting conditions of a weather forecast amplify through the forecast. As well as uncertainty in initial conditions, such predictions are also degraded by errors and uncertainties in our ability to represent accurately the significant climate processes.”
  5. A modest amount of global warming, should it occur, would be beneficial to the natural world and to human civilization. Temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period (roughly 800 to 1200 AD), which allowed the Vikings to settle presently inhospitable Greenland, were higher than even the worst-case scenario